Robotska Kosilnica

Luba je kitajc

fx3zRejSz0cS
https://slo-tech.com/forum/t421552/p799...
video

Tip lube ni dobil gratis, tako da mu ni treba paziti, kaj govori, je odprl zadevo in pogledal.

Če boste pazili, da je dež ne dobi, potem zna delovati nekaj časa.
Berem da ljudje (Nemci) pri RTK postaji dajejo silikon, neke okvirje okoli in vrtajo luknje, da ne zamaka oz. da gre voda naprej.

prevod enega od komentarjev iz videa

Od samega strahu in vsega dežja sem preveril svoj RTK - nič vode. Kljub temu sem na najgloblji točki izvrtal 2 mm luknjo in vse obdelal s silikonskim sprejem.

Enako bom naredil s kosilnico.. upam, da bo zdržala malo dlje.

Je tvoj teren podoben temu ?


Husqvarna awd (4*4) model je pomoje se vedno tata-mata kar se tiče awd razreda, sploh kar se tiče dolgoživosti.
https://www.husqvarna.com/si/robotske-k...
https://www.husqvarna.com/si/robotske-k...

Še dražja awd (proper) zadeva je Italijanski Ambrogio, v Slo jih trži eno podjetje iz Obale.
https://robotske-kosilnice.cvelbar.si/t...
žica awd vse tri, stran proizvajalca
https://www.ambrogiorobot.com/en/models...
https://www.ambrogiorobot.com/en/models...
https://www.ambrogiorobot.com/en/models...



Tale ni awd
Ambrogio 4.36 Elite RTK (brez žice)
https://www.ambrogiorobot.com/en/models...

Tale ambrogio je fajn na papirju, v praksi precej slabše. Sploh ti njihovi noži se radi zabijajo v kolikor kosi previsoko travo. Ni to to.

bauci je 30. avg 2023 ob 18:05 izjavil:

Italijanski Ambrogio prodaja dolenjska firma Cvelbar. Samo popravek zgoraj napisanega.

Se posipam s pepelom.


https://www.ambrogiorobot.com/en-us
spodaj na strani:

Authorized distributor Slovenia
ZELENI SISTEMI D.O.O.
CESTA NA POLANE 8
06210 SEZANA Slovenia
00386 57344464

Edit
Prodaja jih tudi eno podjetje iz Grosuplja
T-BIRD d.o.o.
https://www.robotske-kosilnice.com/

sbawe64 je 30. avg 2023 ob 14:47 izjavil:

Drug primer kontra 'angleške travice'
Tale ima inox špice gor (dodatna masa + oprijem)

Sem imel zadnje leto te špice gor pa ne pomaga čisto nič. Stanejo pa 40-50€
Stran vržen denar. Teža premalo, oprijem nič boljši.

Sem letos kupil original Worx Offroad kolesa(100€) katera imajo res nekaj teže in primerno razporejene špice iz plastike po celi površini, ne samo v eni liniji kot tiste inox.

Za tiste, ki pa tu podajajo kosilnice preko 1500€... to ni za domačo rabo s tako ceno.

sbawe64 je 30. avg 2023 ob 14:35 izjavil:

fx3zRejSz0cS
https://slo-tech.com/forum/t421552/p799...
video

Tip lube ni dobil gratis, tako da mu ni treba paziti, kaj govori, je odprl zadevo in pogledal.

Če boste pazili, da je dež ne dobi, potem zna delovati nekaj časa.
Berem da ljudje (Nemci) pri RTK postaji dajejo silikon, neke okvirje okoli in vrtajo luknje, da ne zamaka oz. da gre voda naprej.

prevod enega od komentarjev iz videa

Od samega strahu in vsega dežja sem preveril svoj RTK - nič vode. Kljub temu sem na najgloblji točki izvrtal 2 mm luknjo in vse obdelal s silikonskim sprejem.

Enako bom naredil s kosilnico.. upam, da bo zdržala malo dlje.

Je tvoj teren podoben temu ?


Husqvarna awd (4*4) model je pomoje se vedno tata-mata kar se tiče awd razreda, sploh kar se tiče dolgoživosti.
https://www.husqvarna.com/si/robotske-k...
https://www.husqvarna.com/si/robotske-k...

Še dražja awd (proper) zadeva je Italijanski Ambrogio, v Slo jih trži eno podjetje iz Obale.
https://robotske-kosilnice.cvelbar.si/t...
žica awd vse tri, stran proizvajalca
https://www.ambrogiorobot.com/en/models...
https://www.ambrogiorobot.com/en/models...
https://www.ambrogiorobot.com/en/models...



Tale ni awd
Ambrogio 4.36 Elite RTK (brez žice)
https://www.ambrogiorobot.com/en/models...

Ne ni tako ekstremen teren. Je hribovit ampak je travnata površina okrog hiše (ki se kosi na tedenski ravni oz. sproti). Sedaj urejamo s "traktor kosilnico" srednjega ranga, ter eno vrtno.

bf4ed je 31. avg 2023 ob 05:33 izjavil:

sbawe64 je 30. avg 2023 ob 14:47 izjavil:

Drug primer kontra 'angleške travice'
Tale ima inox špice gor (dodatna masa + oprijem)

Sem imel zadnje leto te špice gor pa ne pomaga čisto nič. Stanejo pa 40-50EUR
Stran vržen denar. Teža premalo, oprijem nič boljši.

Sem letos kupil original Worx Offroad kolesa(100EUR) katera imajo res nekaj teže in primerno razporejene špice iz plastike po celi površini, ne samo v eni liniji kot tiste inox.

Za tiste, ki pa tu podajajo kosilnice preko 1500EUR... to ni za domačo rabo s tako ceno.

Katerega robota imaš, model koles in kje si kupil ?
Recimo za l1000 akumulatorskoorodje.si nima Offroad koles (oznaka WA0955), samo one 'traktorske'.
https://uk.worx.com/spike-wheels-wa0955/


Landroid Worx l1000 je 1150, Acs 210, off limit plus modul 145 in si na 1505:

https://www.akumulatorskoorodje.si/prod...

https://www.akumulatorskoorodje.si/prod...

https://www.akumulatorskoorodje.si/prod...




S tem da za off limit plus modul je nekaj drobnega tiska:
https://wiki.worx.com/en/offlimits-opti...
The magnetic strip needs to be laid out:

- on the flat side
- in a circular or elliptic shape (always avoid straight lines and corners of all sorts)
- in a closed circuit
- at least 2 meters away from the boundary wire or another Off Limits area



Ter ena izboljšava za hitrejše vračanje k polnilni postaji
https://wiki.worx.com/en/shortcut

TheBlueOne
To velja za robota ? Imaš tudi worxa ?

Vision ali l2000 ?

Tole angleško travico lahko praktično z vsako kosiš.

Koliko je naklona ?

Če imaš Android, v gplayu naloži 'bubble level slipe' app, ki kaže naklon.


Kaj je 'formula' ?

Luba ja, pardon. Pošljem naklon ob priliki.

Luba je dobila "waterproofnes" updejt, silikonsko prevleko za čez vse tipke na vrhu robota ter plastiči pokrov za čez RTK anteno.
Prav tako je dobila firmware updejt s katerim lahko sedaj kosiš tudi z ročnim upravljanjem

Tale Luba samostojno ne zna kositi, mislim, vedno jo more nekdo aktivno upravljati ?

Kaj prav vidim, da je Luba 3000EUR? Uf, kaksne prednosti pa ima pred klasiki?

Berem, pa jih za večino ne vidim kaj dosti. 4x4 je praktično, če je strmo, ostalo pa deluje robustno pri klasiki in verjetno imaš pri klasiki manj dela, ker samo potegneš žico?

https://www.luba.rs/luba-awd-1000/

Luba za 2 jurja brez polaganja zice? To pa me zanima

Uraden izum.

Ang prevod od zgoraj:
I would also like to briefly give my OT two cents on this.

It may be that the manufacturer has thought about everything, but not every good idea that you have on the drawing board and implement has to prove to be practical later, such as the top-heavy nature of the bot due to the "long" wheelbase However, the blade protection is quite heavy and the behavior when hitting the BK in terms of hardware/software development.

The question is, how closely and how long are the first working prototypes and later the series-ready models tested?
If I try out a newly developed mower on a perfectly laid out "smooth" lawn test area (perhaps even freshly laid out specifically for the test operation), everything may work perfectly.
I'll boldly say that most "users" don't have a lawn like this. For me it's not even about slopes, but actually about small bumps under the turf that you can't even see.
Therefore, the test must be carried out on various perennial lawns, in normally maintained house gardens and not on "laboratory" gardens?

Even if I do my best job at planting the lawn, the soil will change over time due to weather influences (wet, dry, temperature differences, frost) and also (this should not be underestimated) worm activity.
I completely redesigned my lawn in 2019. Deeply milled. Tons of humus and special lawn substrate were incorporated, left to settle for several weeks, the bare area watered in between (if necessary) and allowed to dry out again (settlement then forms relatively quickly, which can then be leveled out again)... everything balanced again and smoothed out... several times.
A lot of time, money and sweat go into the preparations.

The year it was new, the ground was also "smooth". When you walked barefoot you didn't feel anything other than the soft turf.
Things are different now in the third year.
The lawn still looks great, but you can already notice a lot of small and large bumps. I try to remove the really big outliers as quickly as possible, but you can no longer get the floor as it was when it was installed.
Sure, you could mow the lawn every year, but is the effort (cost and time) in relation to the time saved that you would otherwise have to spend mowing the lawn manually? Is this a requirement for an automatic mower to function smoothly? However, the manufacturers would very quickly reduce their customer base.
Practically everyone will have the invisible bumps mentioned above in their garden and they have an unfavorable effect on the turning behavior as soon as the bot has to turn the front wheel exactly over something like that. That's why it would be so important to implement smooth turning on the BK so that the momentum is carried over from the ride and doesn't have to be restarted again and again.

The second question is: Will individual components be replaced shortly before production starts for cost reasons or purchased from another cheaper supplier? Using the example of the knife guard: Perhaps it was made of lighter material in the prototype and pre-production model and was replaced by something cheaper but heavier shortly before production started? The replaced part looks the same, the protective function is there, so it fits from a purchasing perspective. Only the weight has a negative effect on the entire construction.
Something like that actually happens. There was once an issue in the 80s with a car manufacturer... the one with the lightning bolt. Before series production started, they simply changed the supplier for one or another component, but that ended in many complaints, quality problems and the reputation was ruined for several years).

Back to our "favorite" move. The weight of the knife guard has an extremely unfavorable effect on the top-heavy bot. A lot of "power" is brought to the ground via the drive-free nose wheel. This force is absolutely disadvantageous if the nose wheel is standing exactly between two bumps and tries to turn. If everything goes smoothly, it works.

Not everything that has been well thought out theoretically and works in the "laboratory"
I would argue that a large-scale practical test in real gardens with the "hardware and software level" that is actually produced would have revealed the weaknesses relatively quickly. But as with so many things, this is avoided for cost reasons. The product "matures" with the customer and you can conceal a lot with software adjustments, but you just can't make serious design errors disappear.

Finally: I am not accusing Worx of not working diligently.
What I have written only reflects my thoughts, observations and experiences in general and here in particular.
I also understand that in order to use an autonomous mower you have to adapt the circumstances a little. But assuming ideal conditions seems unrealistic to me.

I personally had to "save" my bot once since it was put into operation in June 2021. But after only a few days of operation, negative effects due to the design quickly became apparent (too little weight on the drive axle, too top-heavy). A larger test with the production model under real conditions on various lawns would certainly have shown this quickly.
I then added weight to the rear axle quite quickly to improve driving behavior.

I wrote in another thread that I now drive without blade protection and the driving behavior, especially the turning behavior, has improved drastically. Now I'm currently satisfied.
And so that you have an idea of what my lawn looks like and what "the little one" has to deal with every day, I have attached 2 pictures that I just took (it is currently a little more than 4cm, the bot hasn't driven yet today).
In my opinion, a mower should be able to handle something like this confidently as standard and not only after you put weight on the rear axle and reduce the top-heaviness... or am I looking at that wrong?

bastadu je 14. sep 2023 ob 19:29 izjavil:

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Kje si našel ta info ?

sbawe64 je 14. sep 2023 ob 19:43 izjavil:

bastadu je 14. sep 2023 ob 19:29 izjavil:

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Klik, dobil zadnjič po pošti.

bastadu je 14. sep 2023 ob 21:36 izjavil:

sbawe64 je 14. sep 2023 ob 19:43 izjavil:

bastadu je 14. sep 2023 ob 19:29 izjavil:

Uraden izum.

Kje si našel ta info ?

Klik, dobil zadnjič po pošti.

Torej tisti Nemec ni brez razloga trdil, da je Luba bolj za suho Arizono
https://slo-tech.com/forum/t421552/p799...

Če bodo kdaj izdali kakšno konkretno nadgradnjo, luba v2 npr., tam bodo bolj ali manj rešili problem vodotesnosti.

uomostolto
Za spajanje žice ne potrebuješ lotanja, 3m hitre spojke so dovolj:
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B00EQ3EHBU/ref...

Luba je ok samo iz enega razloga, gps 4*4 robot za pol cene husq awd+epos.
Ter da kosi gor dol, ne na random pattern, kar je blazno neučinkovito na večjih površinah.

V ZDA gre vse preko zero mowerjev, sedeči na ročke/volan oz stoječi na ročke.
Kosišče pod 1m premera (40") imajo za majhno.
In potem dobesedno šibajo gor dol po parceli (do 13 km/h gre).

Jaz sem za podobno dolžino potreboval dosti manj časa. Napel čez kar je bilo približno ravnih dolžin, potem pa še na hitro postiskal vmes kline. Razmik med klini po standardu. Kline stiskal v zemljo kakor, da bi natikal solato. Kake 14 dni po montaži kabla več ne najdeš tako se je prerastel. Dvomim, da sem potreboval dve uri, je bilo verjetno prej dobra ura. Za mejni kabel in kakšne tri ure za postajo, ker je bilo treba kabel praviti v omarico, kar pa verjetno potrebuješ tudi pri Lubi.

Enkrat narejeno in lahko menjam robota brez dodatnega dela. Za ca. 800m2 zelenice je Worx (menda do 1200m2 ali nekaj takega) v aciji stal 850€ v Bauhausu s petimi leti garancije. Torej mi garantirano dela za 170€/letno, ampak bo verjetno delal še dosti dlje.

Za GPS robote, ki so omejeni zgolj skozi software ne bi dal roke v ogenj, da jih ne bo treba kaj doučiti, da ne bo kakšen update naredil sranja in boš delal vse na novo, vmes kakšen servis in tovarniški reset itn. Posebej, ker sem ravnokar malo pogugalal in je bilo nekaj zadetkov o Lubah, ki se izgubijo.

Hvala! Zdaj moram pa samo še zvedeti, kako dobra kosilnica je to?

Na kickstarter sem opazil novo kosilnico YUKA 3D

Glede na to da je od Mammotion mislite da je ok? Za Lubo ki je bila prva so kar ok reviews.

Nima samo kamere ma RTK+kamera zato se mi zdi zanimiva.
Me pa bolj zanima ali bo delivery ali je scam